This was a really fun and different one. When I was starting my podcast, @dwarkesh_sp was my first call for advice. I don't think there's anyone better. We talked about the current state of AI, how he learns, random interests of his, and podcasting.

Great pivot by Dwarkesh to realize that nerds working at AI labs breathlessly explaining how AI will change everything is actually pretty uninteresting Instead, if AI WILL change everything, you had better zoom out to understand the great game and grand strategy